Delftsman, after our latest sparring match, pointed me to a relatively well-written (if note well-reasoned) article by Kim du Toit. Since the argument in Kim's article is related to some of my posts during the last few days, I'd like to provide a rebuttal of some of its points. Kim's article begins with a quote from Cicero (a self-serving aristocrat of the Roman Empire) and then goes on to warn us of traitors "within our walls." To give his argument an academic ambience, Kim makes historical analogies with the events leading up to France's fall to the Germans in WWII. Kim views the strengths of France at the time as being in its military and bureaucracy, and feels that these wonderful institutions were undermined by a number of traitors assisted by an unloyal press, an apathetic public, a pacifist mentality, and a lack of concern for constitutional rights. He also cites the divisive appeal of fascism and communism. The lesson Kim draws from this is that the U.S. is threatened by just such forces and traitors today.
When discussing the specific modus operandi of the traitors, Kim mentions the following specific points:
1. The attempt to "change our government completely" by making it a direct democracy without the Electoral College.
As one of those traitors who would love to see this happen, I stand guilty as charged. However, the realistic odds of enough states (many of whom benefit from the current status quo) supporting such a constitutional change are nil. So I won't even bother to rebut the silly argument that our system is necessary to keep big states from picking on little ones.
2. The attempt to void basic freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.
Judging from his silence about virtually all other infringment of rights, Kim evidently is talking exclusively about gun control and property rights. Once again, we're warned of something that definitely won't happen in the foreseeable future. Personally, I'm tempted to join the conservative enemy on this issue. Let the conservatives have all the guns they want. Hell, maybe we should all go out and buy an arsenel. We may need them. With that point taken care of, perhaps we should consider a few other areas of the Constitution. Doesn't it concern anyone that things like freedom of speech, freedom to gather and protest, freedom to a trial before one's peers, freedom of confidentiality regarding one's papers, and myriad other basic rights are being trampled, like never before, by the current administration? Why do people on the right only care about guns?
3. Disunity. America's coming apart!
Here Kim talks about the multiplicity of languages being spoken (i.e., Spanish) and laments the alleged loss of "our common culture and heritage" replaced by relativism imposed on an unwilling populace. I suppose Kim envisions an America more like Germany or France where national identity is synonymous with language and culture. If this is what America's really "about," wealthy business men probably need to stop bringing over cheap labor (whether it be Chinese or Hispanic) to exploit. Then we can go about creating our little 1950ish society of shared suburban values. This would require some pretty radical changes in order to get all of the outliers to conform to the beer-belly of the bell curve. There will still be a large group of people who will never agree to toe the line. Perhaps Kim envisions a cultural revolution so that these folks get with the program--or at least, get off the main streets. (I suppose that's why Kim placed so much emphasis on the guns.)
4. Kim also lambasts those “progressives”, “socialists”, “communitarians”, “populists”, “globalists” and other moonbats who are trying to replace the Republic with "another type of state" and "one which serves their own ambitions or goals" (sounds good to me) "—or, most reprehensibly, the ambitions and goals of those outside our borders" (and live in harmony with others. Even I find this reprehensible!) We traitors are accused here of supporting “open borders.” Actually, the political support for open borders is generally from Republican businessmen who want cheap labor, and by immigrant groups themselves. But I guess we shouldn't let a few pesky facts get in the way. It's a fine-sounding argument. And while I'm one of those traitors who actually doesn't believe in states, if we're going to have states, I don't see why we'd want to let in illegal immigrants. Now if we can just convince those traitorous businessmen and factory owners.
Kim's original half-baked comparison of the U.S. with pre-WWII France gets lost somewhere. It's just as well. Unlike the U.S., France was never a world hegemon and was only a European hegemon for an extremely brief interlude. Sandwiched between the then-world superpower (Britain) and the up-and-coming superpower (Germany), France's options were limited. The idea that the U.S. is now a struggling country threatened by powerful aggressors is not only mistaken, but is patently ridiculous. Does Kim see a Canadian or Mexican invasion on the horizon? Were the motley groups of religious kooks who took over some planes using pepper spray somehow similar to invading Nazis? For analogies, Kim should have stuck with the source of his original quote--an overconfident Rome weakened by wealthy elites like Cicero.
In true bad-ass conservative fashion, Kim ends his diatribe with a veiled threat to kill all of us "traitors within."
"And lest anyone think that simply desiring a different form of government is neither treason nor traitorous, it should be noted that after France was liberated by the Allies in 1944, and after a long and exhaustive trial, Pierre Laval was executed by firing squad."
My advice to all of you pointing fingers and gathering guns. It's much better if we can keep our differences in the forum of democratic debate. Because when we introduce violence and executions by firing squad, there might be some of us who have a very different idea of what makes a person a traitor. And you might not like where you find yourself.
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Bravo, Karlo! Nice to see that stuff picked apart bit by bit.
I find the commentary on tghe freedom of speech being trampled as a result of "the current administration", and the "right to protest" to be hilarious considering how freedom of speech and thought are trampled so regularly by those on the left in the hallowed halls of academia. Also the freedom to protest? what about what happens when someone chooses to "counter-protest" and then the protesters demand they be arrested. This is generally a result of those on the left as well. Trample freedoms indeed.
Yesss. I suppose we'll have to do something about all those radical lefty professors who secretly detain (in far off bases)and torture all those who oppose them and lead protesters off to jail for simply holding up the wrong sign. They look all meek and mild with their oversized glasses and geeky ties, but I'm telling you, any day now they'll be going house to house, taking our rights away.
To mention just three bits of nonsense in your piece:
"However, the realistic odds of enough states (many of whom benefit from the current status quo) supporting such a constitutional change are nil."
So, if the idea is a non-starter, why did Hillary Clinton, among others, bring up the subject at all after Election 2000?
"The idea that the U.S. is now a struggling country threatened by powerful aggressors is not only mistaken, but is patently ridiculous. Does Kim see a Canadian or Mexican invasion on the horizon?"
Total nonsense, and a red herring withal. Do you deny that the United States is under attack by Islamist global terrorism?
But even that's not the real point. The struggle facing this country is between those who want to change this nation's form of government completely (like you've admitted), and those of us who are prefectly content with our representative republic. The fact that you're unable to change it by legal (ie. Constitutional) means simply leads you to use other methods.
The word to describe such a person is: traitor. And speaking of which:
"Kim ends his diatribe with a veiled threat to kill all of us 'traitors within.'"
"Veiled threat"? I don't think so. Your paranoia is showing. The extreme penalty facing modern-day traitors is imprisonment (more's the pity). Just remember, though, that Laval was executed by the French government, not by vigilantes.
-- Kim du Toit
Anon, their accusation that this administration is trampling our freedom of speech is typical nonsense from the left. You don't see the right throwing pies at liberal speakers on our campuses. You don't see the right shouting down liberal speakers on our campuses. When you ask them to give examples, the silence becomes deafening!
"You don't see the right throwing pies at liberal speakers on our campuses." They don't need to. They have their friends in the CIa go through their library records and bug their houses.
I do deny that the country is "under attack" by Islamo-terrorist. But to go beyond this point, you said,
"But even that's not the real point. The struggle facing this country is between those who want to change this nation's form of government completely (like you've admitted), and those of us who are prefectly content with our representative republic. The fact that you're unable to change it by legal (ie. Constitutional) means simply leads you to use other methods."
Who's using illegal means? Is the U.S. suffering from a major insurgency? First it's America--the greatest military power in world history--being compared to an effete France, then it's a dozen people with mace being compared to Nazis, and now someone blogging criticisms of the administration is a "traitor." Some people crave crisis so much that they'll invent it if they need to. And they crave war so much, that they'll invent an enemy.
Karlo says ""You don't see the right throwing pies at liberal speakers on our campuses." They don't need to. They have their friends in the CIa go through their library records and bug their houses." Do they have something to hide from the authorities? Are they checking out books on how to build bombs? Whose house has been bugged? Don't be evasive; give us some facts?
That's one thing the left can't do and that is back up their nonsense with facts!
I'll give you all the facts you want once the CIA opens its books. For some strange reason, the CIA is sitting on tons of documents more than 20 years old. I wonder why?
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